Why hasn't Jamie Lee Curtis gone public as intersex?

She deserves to be respected as an groundbreaking and cherished member of our community.

Looks like she has a small dinglehopper, but you didn’t hear it from me…

For that matter, so hasn't Kim Novak!

She always looked butch, not intersex.

Maybe she just wants to live her life without strangers talking about her genitals all the time.

^ If only her "daughter", "Ruby", could show the same discretion in dividing the public from the private.

out of respect for Tony's reigning queenry

Can’t tell if John Travolta is vardering her hot pink combo or dicklet.

Do you guys really see dicklet in the video clip?

Why won’t you show the world YOUR dick, OP?

Are you a pussy?

Why should she? She’s not.

R3 Curtis is not a Jew. And "Jewess" is a bigoted spew. But you of course knew that.

Explain this, then, R15. Whatever about "Jewess", it is quite common for people like Curtis, who only have one Jewish parent (and hers was her father, i.e. she's not halachically Jewish), to describe themselves as Jewish.

R16 dismisses an anti-Jewish slur. No surprise.

^ My post was addressing only the (basically incorrect) first part of your post. No surprise that you avoided that. Twat.

Actually, never mind. Ignoredar shows lots of Anscher-y stuff in your history, so I won't waste any more breath talking to one of DL's most insane trolls.

She's just so damned homely and I can't stand her voice.

OP- She’s nothing as trendy as INTERSEXED she’s just a plain run of the mill

LESBIAN

She will go public if her publicist convinces her it will get her that Oscar. Being Mom of an It, doing a U-turn on Jewishness & Wokieness may not be enough. Being the Face of being Intersexed may do it, they will tell her. She will jump on it for that Oscar.

Hollywood spawn needs its own DSM diagnosis. See Markle among many others. It's for sure a real creepy MI. Husbear & I have hopefully extricated ourselves from one. We had made a deadbed promise to her Mom to stay in contact with her. Worst promise I ever made, or had to fulfill. Fingers crossed we're done with her!!

Is Jewess considered a slur? I've only heard it used in conversation when I lived in NYC and usually only in terms of a "tall, beautiful, Jewess." Other than that, I've only read it in literature. Wouldn't WASP be a slur as well?

R22 Markle, motherfucker? Really? Get help

It's Anscher, R23. Not worth paying attention to.

The rumor is that she was born intersex, and Tony and Janet took her to Stanford Medical Center for surgery to make her female, since it was the only hospital in the country doing that kind of surgery at the time. Apparently, they had a choice to make her a boy or a girl, and they chose girl.

"Jewess" sounds extremely old-fashioned and in some contexts, it's a slur. It's not unlike "Negress." People of that background are "Jews" or "Jewish." A female is a "Jewish woman."

^ The only person I've ever heard using it was my grandmother (born over 100 years ago) talking about a woman who had married into our family around 1900.

R28

I'm a native New Yorker. I'm not a Jew, but I have many Jewish friends and acquaintances. I've never heard the word "Jewess" used in conversation. When I was much younger, "WASP" was used, but it was always a descriptive term, not a pejorative.

I've never been convinced of this rumor to be honest ( not that there's anything wrong with being intersex). It sounds like a rumor that simply spread like wildfire.

I actually do find it interesting though how little attention is paid to intersex people in this day and age. You'd think with all of the discussion about transgenderism that it would be talked about more. But you almost never see articles about intersex people.

R30 Jamie Lee has stated that she's unable to have children naturally, and that's why her kids are adopted. This certainly lends credence to the story about her being intersex at birth.

And you have to admit it, she does have a bit of a "manly" look about her.

R35

Only about 1.7% of the world's population is born with intersex traits and only approximately 0.5 percent of people have clinically identifiable sexual or reproductive variations.

R32

Should have been directed to R30.

Blessed day, I see that Anscher's latest account has been banned. A drop in the bucket but nevertheless...

halachically Jewish....is no longer valid...DNA now proves heritage...I am 49% Ashkenazi on my father's side...a Jew

Based on those stats, R32, the point is true.

The millions born intersex are not receiving the attention and resources they deserve. Why is that?

OP, that movie was gross, even back then. I'm surprised nobody in that aerobics class got whiplash from those violent and repeated neck rolls.

She and Tom Cruise share this abnormality,

Correct about what, R38? R35 is free to call himself Jewish, of course, as he is indeed Jewish by (partial) ancestry. He is not, however, free to marry in an Orthodox synagogue, for example, unless his mother (who doesn't sound like she was Jewish by background) converted. The whole question of "What is a Jew?" is a vexed one but, in mainstream American society, no-one would have an issue with R35 calling himself Jewish. If he showed up in Williamsburg looking for a shidduch, it might be a different story.

No one gives a shit about anything but DNA, idiot. We’re not discussing your arcane religious beliefs.

If you have a Jewish parent, you’re a Jew. The matrilineal shit is only parroted by insane Orthodox types or non-Jews who read Wikipedia.

10% of American Jews are Orthodox. They will not accept as legitimately Jewish (for "legal" purposes, i.e. marriage) someone whose mother was not Jewish either by birth or by conversion. I'm alarmed that there are such poor levels of literacy around what has always been a commonly-known tenet of traditional Judaism (i.e. matrilineal inheritance of Jewish status) to the extent that I do believe you may be trolling, R41. Reform, Conservative and secular Jews are all free to define it otherwise, as many indeed do, but Orthodoxy has been unchanging on this point.

* to clarify, the individual themselves may also convert in order to become "legally" Jewish, of course. Take Ivanka Kushner and Karlie Kloss.

Did I say otherwise, R42? Please be specific.

Just felt like posting this

The vast majority of Jews aren’t orthodox, so I don’t see why you’re still on this shit. Is there a “matrilineal Judaism” troll now?

Why haven't the Windsors admitted they are lizards?

Because R38's post was reductive, R49. He said that R35's assertion that halacha is no longer valid was correct. For a rather small majority (10%) who choose to bind themselves by these laws, that is patently false. The remainder of the community - a huuuge majority at 90% - clearly don't go by this rather archaic legal principle (something like half don't belong to any denomination whatsoever) but it is false to say, in a categorical way, that such laws are no longer valid for *anyone*. That is what I took issue with.

You will be glad to hear that I have nothing further to say on this matter as DLers are far more likely to spend time issuing faulty "corrections" than they are carefully reading others' posts. I will try to remember that carefully-written posts on a website like this are just caviar to the general.

[quote] I will try to remember that carefully-written posts on a website like this are just caviar to the general.

MARY! Or well, MYRIAM! in this case.

R29 Jewish people are not the ones using the term "Jewess."

WASP is constantly used as a pejorative. I see it on DL quite a bit.

R54

The person I responded to made it seem that "Jewess" was a term used by ordinary people in NYC. If it's used, I don't hear it because I don't hang around ignorant people and racists. As for "WASP," DL is not the world. It used to be used in the media when I was a kid. It's probably in The Preppy Handbook. It's less popular now but not a pejorative.

R55/R29 - when did I at R28 (the post to which you responded in R29) "[make] it seem that "Jewess" was a term used by ordinary people in NYC"? I said that my grandmother (and I never said where she was from - it wasn't the United States) used this term once, my point being that is not commonly used, as I have only ever heard one person using it. Try reading carefully.

In the current cultural climate in wokey Hollywood, everyone is clinging to as diverse an identity as they can. Because the white self loathing is endemic. Fuck that. Fuck it. JLC is just reaching hard for minority status.

I’ve heard it said on here that when a thread becomes particularly salacious on here, PR shrills will show up and derail the conversation.

I hope JLC is paying her public relations firm good money to turn this thread about her bonus genitals into some painfully boring and tedious debate on Judaism and what constitutes being a Jew.

I’m here for the teeny weeny talk, not this bullshit.

R56

Try writing more clearly,

^ That is always the response given by people like you when asked to show their (invariably faulty) reasoning. Also, don't end a sentence with a comma: advice which is at its most necessary in posts where you are doling out instructions.

"To set the record straight, do you have a penis or not?"

In the book 'Flavor of the Month' an actress married to an actor raises her son as a daughter and they become a star and it isn't until they die that people find out she was a man. Even hid it from her husband. It was a roman à clef so I always wondered if it was about JLC.

R62 I read that book, and that actress is clearly based on Janet Leigh.

The R61 clip makes me believe the rumors are true.

R63 I enjoyed Olivia Goldsmith’s books it’s a shame she will not write any more

From the Reddit thread at R61:

[QUOTE] The full legend was she had androgen insensitivity syndrome. You’d be XY biologically, but would develop as female with no periods. In the old days they’d just tell the kid she was a girl born without a uterus, which was true enough i guess. Rumor “Supported” by the fact that her kids with Christopher Guest are adopted.

OMFG I had no idea that clip existed. It's very vulgar and inappropriate question and there is NO answer JLC can give to it that gives JLC the upper hand.

Travolta was actually looking up the guy's shorts

Maybe because there isn't anything to go public with. She may not even be intersex. People just assume things but that doesn't make them true.

What R27 said. Why is this so hard for some of you? "Jewess" and "Negress" are as archaic as "tigress." Albsolutely no one uses these terms in the modern era, but trolls come along on DL claiming to be naive about it. GTFOOH.

"Intersex" isn't a sexual orientation or a gender identity. It's a medical condition. It's no one else's business, and JLC is only rumored to be intersex. She has no obligation to answer rumors, not does she have an obligation to anyone about a medical condition that she may or may not even have.

OP, how DARE you? There are children present!!!

And this is how it ALL STARTED...

Read, "Flavor of the Month" very interesting.

Gramma, is that mommy or daddy?

If they have to choose, female is obviously easier. Cut off the little nubby tally whacker and that's it. Probably some hormone therapy.

If not for the fake tits, she looks like a man, baby!

Everyone knows Jamie Lee is 100% straight. She would NEVER beard with anyone like her whore mother did!

Sorry Jamie you were always a butter face

She didn't look like a dude, and she could pull off pinup looks with posing and staging, but she did often look androgynous. She never had an Adams apple. If he is intersex, I wouldn't know really because I don't know the tell tale signs. It wouldn't surprise me. I think Amanda Lear has looked like a woman in the decades after her surgery to become "a women" so whatever.

Jamie is a woman. I don't care what conditions she may or may not have. Caitlyn Jenner decides to be a woman at age 65 and people automatically accept it without hesitation. Jamie Lee Curtis has been a woman her entire life and people want to ask questions and take her womanhood away from her. It is wrong and anyone who thinks that way should be ashamed of themselves.

R84, do you realize that the people who accept Jenner as a woman aren't the same people as the people questioning if JLC is one? These are two distinct groups. A Venn diagram would show two circles that don't touch. Doubting JLC's womanhood has transphobia written all over it. Of course she's a woman, regardless of whether she's intersex or not. Womanhood isn't dependent on anatomy, whether internal or external. That's what trans allies believe and it applies to JLC as much as any other woman, cis, trans or intersex.

[quote]Caitlyn Jenner decides to be a woman at age 65 and people automatically accept it without hesitation.

What planet did this occur on? Because here on earth there were, and remain, many people who don't hesitate to express transphobia about Caitlyn Jenner and what her gender is. "Automatically accept it without hesitation" is an absurd simplification of what actually happens, and continues to happen, when trans women come out as trans. You cannot be serious with this analogy you're attempting.

Meh. I’m more interested in her daddy presenting hole to so many of his co-stars.

Does Bruce still have a cock and balls?

R39 People with Kleinfelter Syndrome look different. What makes you believe that Curtis and Cruise have it? "I have a hunch"?

I ADORE R39 shitty shitty web link. Which seems to be a translation of AI written text form an early form of A.I. text generator. FANTASTICLY retarded link by the equally challenged R39. Bravo. 🤡

Why hasn't OP put a gun in his mouth?

Anybody who thinks of Jamie as anything other than a woman can go fuck themselves.

^Thanks for sharing Jamie.

She couldn't have her own children, so she certainly is not a real woman.

R94 Some people can have children and shouldn't. Jamie took 2 kids someone else either didn't want or couldn't take care of and gave them a beautiful life of wealth, privilege, and love. She is a good woman and that's what she'll always be.

And one still ended up an ugly freak.

Wonder if Jamie & Ruby ever played the scend below

Those dreadful TERFs will go after her and her children for some flaw in their version of orthodoxy. I don't blame Jamie Lee for keeping her private life as she can.

[quote] r30 I actually do find it interesting though how little attention is paid to intersex people in this day and age.

All 4 of them?

[quote]r39 this condition is also known as the XXY syndrome rather than the normal XY in a normal male. [quote]They have small testes in addition to large breasts.[/quote]

Well, that sounds like Jamie Lee.

i have no african dna. am i reptilian?

I believe drag queens, trans, etc. have a duty to share their status with anyone they’re poised to have sex with. The potential partner may be okay with it, or not. Just be honest.

While flaunting her ripe, bursting-at-the-seams chichis in young America’s face, virtually encouraging males everywhere to jack off to her Lycra encased image, Jamie Lee had a duty to let the public know what they were getting.

She owes The People an apology for her deceitfulness.

She played Dorothy whatshername, the Playboy centerfold. I remember back then thinking it was bizarre casting because Jamie Lee just wasn't pretty in that way.

But seriously, IF the rumor were true –and who the hell knows?– she would certainly get a great deal of understanding and affirmation.

Maybe she doesn't want "understanding and affirmation" maybe she wants her medical history to be private.

R107 True, and I respect that. She also likes attention, though.

R101, there’s a lot more than four well-known intersex people…

Maybe she isn't intersex.

[quote]R107 Maybe she doesn't want "understanding and affirmation" maybe she wants her medical history to be private.

Too bad. She is a public figure. When she put her ta tas on sale for public consumption, she waived their history’s privacy.

R111 So if someone is on your TV screen or a movie theater screen they lose any rights they have and become public property?

So if someone has a topless scene in a movie or whatever, you are then entitled to all the details of their tits, work they may have had done, their entire medical and reproductive history and you have the right to get all up in their vagina since the day they were born?

Fuck you, weirdo. You haven't got a leg to stand on with that batshit argument, you crazy bitch.

Please cite any laws or even standard practices that support your bullshit. Bet you can't.

[quote]r113 So if someone has a topless scene in a movie or whatever, you are then entitled to all the details of their tits, work they may have had done…

In a word, yes.

It is a “truth in advertising” issue and I am confident the Better Business Bureau will hear our case. But we must stand together.

[quote] ….and you have the right to get all up in their vagina since the day they were born?

We do not know that she has a vagina. It’s the heart of the issue. But the truth will out.

Jamie Lee could do a bio pic playing intersex Lady Colin Campbell?

It would give her a good platform to air the issue.

R115, please contact the BBB and do let us know their response after they stop laughing at you.

I was giving you shit because I thought you were dumb. I didn't realize you're actually insane.

You take good care of your mental health issues, hunny.

A wrinkle I foresee is I wonder if she has diplomatic immunity here, as she ensnared some low level gentry in marriage. She might use that shell of a title to quash our case!

It would be just like her.

She looks like "Lady" Colin in R105 pic.

[quote] "Jewess" sounds extremely old-fashioned and in some contexts, it's a slur. It's not unlike "Negress." People of that background are "Jews" or "Jewish." A female is a "Jewish woman."

r27 I think it's a slur. I even recall on Star Trek made in the 1960's, a time traveling Abraham Lincoln calls Lieutenant Uhura a "Negress" and is admonished as if it's unacceptable.

Straight up, I am one of the idiots who learned here a while ago that the J word is bad. I heard it used multiple times by Stern, and he is a Jew, so I didn’t think it was derogatory (25 years ago). And somehow I just never read anything to inform me til DL. Once I knew, I felt terrible and never will use it again. I actually happen to adore Jewish culture, so I was sad to have disrespected it through my ignorance.

R106 I remember thinking Jamie Lee was all wrong for the part of Dorothy Stratten, too. She looked nothing like her. Her mom or dad must've gotten her the job.

R116, "Lady" Colin Campbell has made at least one fairly clear allusion to the fact that Jamie Lee Curtis had the same condition that she claims to have. She didn't name names but it was quite clear.

"Lady" C says that her condition was a "deformed clitoris and fused labia". I believe that by "deformed clitoris", she means penis, because the penis and the clitoris are analogous to each other; I also believe that by "fused labia", she means scrotum, because the scrotum is analogous to the labia.

Anyone who has ever seen a "Lady" C video will know that she always takes a tiny grain of truth and bakes it into something else entirely.

Her comeback Oscar: The Caitlyn Jenner Tragecomedy

^ replete with jealousy fueled hairbrush beatings of the K-Krowd

Working Title: The Fox News Bitch That No One Raped

R112, I don’t think anyone should have to make their medical records public. But I also think it’s ok to talk about causes for different body types when it comes to acting and performing because it can affect expectations and health. If one person who has AIS seems to maintain a slender and fit physique without a problem then it could affect how actresses are expected to gain and lose weight for roles or how athletes are expected to prepare. I also believe it’s a problem when actresses hide their real age because there’s already a problem in casting where middle aged women don’t get cast. Promoting the idea that a 48 year old woman is 33 doesn’t help real 33 year old actresses.

There’s something rather bitter and grouchy about JLC.

I don’t know if it’s entitlement, or disappointment.

It's interesting none of Jamie's entourage tried to end the R61 interview.

The woman at 54 seconds seemed too stunned to even move. She knew.

They couldn’t dare step in. Jamie has to be in the driver’s seat.

Typical male control issues.

R121 Americans are so hypersensitive they think "Jew" is a slur; similar to how some occasionally consider "Mexican" a slur - never realizing it's their own connotations that are prejudiced, not the word itself.

There was a comedian (Billy Crystal?) who would say 'Jew" and then laughed at the meltdowns in his own audience. Why is it so shocking to hear?

I’m just going out on a limb here, but I’m guessing she thought such a revelation would adversely affect her career. Assuming it’s even true.

That doesn't apply in 2022, R134.

She would instantly become iconic.

Why is she so SECRETIVE about it??

It's a dumb rumor just like Richard Gere and the gerbil. It's obvious how it started: Curtis has a very dry boyish look.

No, she is not intersexed. There was a rumor that she stated that herself. The rumor is false.

Jamie Lee Curtis is 63 and similar to Liza in that she was born into a Hollywood sensibility and in a different era. Why force 2020s zeitgeist onto her hothouse origin story, when and where intersexuality wasn't du jour?

The last time "Jewess" was relevant:

Does she only take it up the pooper, or is there a front hole?

"Some intersex people do have ovaries, a uterus, and a vagina, and could get pregnant by contact with sperm. Fertility is different for each intersex person. Many, but not all, intersex variations do result in infertility."

Complete AIS (which Jamie supposedly has): looks like a typical female despite having XY chromosomes; has a normal vulva and vagina but testes instead of ovaries (which produce testosterone that gets converted to estrogen) and no uterus

Partial AIS (think runner Caster Semenya): has ambiguous genitalia; looks more masculine because the body can process some of the testosterone that the testes produce

[quote]Some intersex people do have ovaries, a uterus, and a vagina, and could get pregnant by contact with sperm.

There is only one documented case in medical literature of an XY female with completely normal, fully functional sex organs.

More common (but still very rare) is Swyer syndrome, which results in normal genitalia, a uterus, and fallopian tubes but nonfunctional fibrous tissue in place of ovaries. XY females with Swyer syndrome produce no sex hormones at all on their own and have to take HRT to start puberty. Some women with Swyer syndrome can get pregnant and carry to term via donor eggs and fertility drugs.

Fuck off. Jamie Lee Curtis may not be intersex so there may be nothing to go public with in the first place. People may be trying to force a label on her that doesn't even fit. But even if she is, she doesn't owe us anything. It's just a medical condition she was born with. For all intents and purposes, she IS a woman. Nothing will ever change that.

I think Jamie not conceiving and birthing children probably has far more to do with the fact that her husband prefers, you know, COCK..... than any possible intersexed genitalia on Jamie's part

I always thought Jamie was a lesbian. When Jamie's car crashed several years ago, Jodie Foster was the first person she called. Is she in a marriage of convenience?

R138 There's no bulge there because Jamie Lee doesn't have a dick. Her parents took her to Stanford Medical Center, where her male parts were removed and her female parts remain.

R131 and R132

It's not quite that simple. If you're old enough to have known Holocaust survivors or have been aware of antisemitism in the U.S. you know full well that "Jew" could be used as a slur. It often was preceded by a nasty adjective. There was a time when even American Jews were sensitive about the word and they understood the reluctance of the non-Jewish community to use it. There was a discussion about this on Reddit a few months ago. Someone linked to an article by a Jewish organization that recognized the issue and discussed its history.

R153

Historical connotations matter. Language carries baggage.

[quote] r146 AIS (which Jamie supposedly has) looks like a typical female despite having XY chromosomes; has a normal vulva and vagina but testes instead of ovaries (which produce testosterone that gets converted to estrogen) and no uterus

Then why doesn’t she just SHOW all that in a Playboy pictorial or something, and move on?

I swear, the way she keeps teasing this out for decade upon decade is some high level attention whoring. And America’s SICK of it.

Very manly looking, and that grey hair does her no favors.

R155 So if you see women on TV it practically gives you the right to give them a gynecological exam? Do you realize how crazy you sound?

We demand to see her 🐱 lips!

[quote]R157 So if you see women on TV it practically gives you the right to give them a gynecological exam? Do you realize how crazy you sound?

Just Open Secret Pretenders who 1.) insist on seducing the youth of America with their “sexy” image, yet 2.) are duplicitous about their actual gender.

She can’t have it both ways.

#TruthInAdvertising

If someone is openly intersex, is it polite to ask questions about their genitalia?

Many of us would like to be educated.

Don’t worry - it’s fine. THEY are used to it.

Which is why it’s so weird JLC gets all bent out of shape when asked in the r61 video!

R160

No. It's a personal, intimate fact about someone. How would you feel if strangers wanted to know about something equally personal about you?

^^ like Jamie Lee’s supposed Fallopian tubes.

On the plus side, JLC never had to straddle the gauze.

R48 I'm ashamed at how much I'm cracking up over this.

The biggest obscenity of this movie was JT attempting to embody the role of an intrepid, dedicated reporter/journalist.

A woman born with genitals benefiting from a little tidying work is not "intersex."

But we wish you were intersex, OP, so we could tell you to "literally" go fuck yourself.

R160 That's what books and the Internet are for. So you can research these things and won't have to ask disrespectful questions to people.

Can JLC actually fuck herself?

[quote] Why hasn't Jamie Lee Curtis gone public as intersex?

Probably because she isn't.

Can someone give some kind of proof to this claim? Serious question.

[quote]R170 Can JLC actually fuck herself?

Doubt it. She has a puny cocklet.

She’d have less extreme cane face if she could.

[quote]Too bad. She is a public figure. When she put her ta tas on sale for public consumption, she waived their history’s privacy.

Where do people come up with psychotic bullshit like this? All you're entitled to is a good performance from her, because that's all you pay for.

For Jamie Lee Curtis to come out?

Don’t hold your breath.

No, for a good performance.

I think r174 meant he's still waiting for a good performance from her.

One day soon I’m gonna tell the moon 🌝 about the Crying Game

She looks so old in the newest Halloween movie

She should be scaring the life out of Mike Myers, no??

Because she isn’t, that’s why. Troll.

[quote] Because she isn’t, that’s why. Troll.

Exactly. This.

It was rumor started to harass her over her dry almost androgynous beauty.

She has some androgynous features but clearly is a woman and I never found this joke really that funny. She's a talented woman and unproblematic. Plus, I like that genetic diversity, it's more interesting, not every woman has to be dainty and tiny and not every man big and burly. A lot of people have qualities of both masculinity and femininity.

It's like Richard Gere and the gerbil. I can't believe we have a whole thread of fools who fall for it.

She has a unisex name, adopted kids, a deep voice, and masculine facial features. All these things put together are enough "evidence" for some people, but not me.

In one of Howard Stern's least proud moments, he had an intern ask her about it. It... didn't go well. At 1:45 below.

[quote] She has a unisex name, adopted kids, a deep voice, and masculine facial features.

Yes. And it's a convenient way to try and ostracize a women who doesn't follow a gender stereotype.

There is not one iota of medical evidence to back up this rumor. Until I see some hard facts I see this as just more bias to support gender stereotypes.

[quote]R187 There is not one iota of medical evidence to back up this rumor.

Because JLC will not submit to an examination!

R185, what about the 6 inch "clit"?

[quote] Because JLC will not submit to an examination!

r189 And why should she?

Sorry, you need some sort of medical evidence to make such a claim. There's nothing from the hospital where she was born saying she was not a typical baby girl.

Next you'll be asking a doctor to probe Richard Gere's asshole for gerbil droppings. 🤣

JLC is not intersex. She is a woman and always has been.

Look at her body. Typical for a woman her age. Bottom heavy with bad legs.

I imagine most intersex people are not public because it's nobody's business and don't want to bring unnecessary attention to themselves. Many intersex people find it annoying how they are now being called "trans" and have to "come out" when many simply identify as their biological sex and those who take an androgynous identity don't make a big deal of it either. There's a lot of misconceptions about intersex in general. It's just a genetic mixup that causes deformed genitalia which affects hormonal production. And it doesn't make sense now it's being included in LGBT along with asexual.

Inter-sexy Jamie talks to CBS about her life since Halloween

[quote]R194 Inter-sexy Jamie talks to CBS about her life since Halloween

So basically, her whole life?

I do believe s/he came by her large breasts naturally.

Everything else about her is a lie.

[quote]R191 Sorry, you need some sort of medical evidence to make such a claim.

And she repeatedly withholds it. She is the incalcitrant roadblock.

It just makes her look guilty.

r198 Oh bullshit. Like I'm required to give you a dick pic if you say I'm not hung like a horse? Specious logic.

I remember years ago Howard Stern had one of his interviewers ask him her about it. When he had balls. I can’t remember who it was. She got so pissed her whole face turned red. I really think she should’ve played Michael Myers.

The song from OP's video:

That clip asking if Jamie has a penis is hysterical!

I was never excited by her as an actress, but when I read Postcards from the Edge I imagined her in the role of Suzanne.

The Movie "Perfect" is 90 minutes of indisputable evidence of Jamie Lee Curtis' smooth (cock-free) CROTCH~!!!!

Just like Laddy GoyGoy did to stop the rumors of her "Trans" grundle!!!

Ick. Ew. Yuck.

Why bother?

Of course, the cocklet was removed.

Could Jamie Lee have been DL’s puny cocklet troll, posting here all these years??

[quote] DL’s puny cocklet troll, posting here all these years

If I wanted to do some research, what should I search for?

Um… “puny cocklet DataLounge” ?

R168, intersex is not a synonym for “hermaphrodite”. Androgen insufficiency syndrome is an intersex condition, that is actually the most common cause of undermasculination of people born XY. Some of the literature out there now seems meant to obfuscate what it actually is, like saying it applies to XX males or XY females.

XX people who can’t process androgens will have difficulty transitioning FTM because their bodies don’t respond to testosterone. But XX people in general who have the genetic mutation of AIS don’t have ambiguous genitalia- there’s nothing about them that looks more masculine than other women; just the opposite.

XY people with AIS have probably one of the most misunderstood intersex conditions in the world. It’s not XXY and it can cause a far more feminine appearance than XXY does. And they actually physically have characteristics of both sexes.

Whether Jamie Lee has that condition or not, who knows. But those that do have it have their gender identity heavily mitigated by both surgery and hormones from infancy, often without their own choice. Though many are very happy and beautiful as women, there’s also cases where PAIS or partial AIS could cause a decision of one or the other to be socially painful.

Almost all AIS are surgically treated to be 100 female even if they do have some form of a penis at birth if the penis would not be functional. But grades 1 and 2 AIS are usually raised as men.

There supposedly was a leaked medical document that said Jamie was grade 3 AIS, which is the most masculine you could be and still have the medical community decide to make you more female in infancy.

*I should have said androgen insensitivity, not insufficiency. -R29

[quote]R209 There supposedly was a leaked medical document that said Jamie was grade 3 AIS, which is the most masculine you could be and still have the medical community decide to make you more female in infancy.

This is what the TRUTH TELLERS have been saying all along.

But the horror con fanatics can’t bear it.

They need to accept that they lust for cocklet.

“Another intersex member Noor E Alam said he had to undergo this type of surgery six times, sometimes to change her to a woman and sometimes a man.“

I think there’s not a unified political idea of what people really want. On the one hand, some say that the success of intersex surgery in infancy is a reason to allow trans surgery before puberty. And on the other hand, some intersex people wish they had been allowed to grow to adulthood before choosing or had never had to choose at all.

R211 Go fetch the document then if you can. "My uncle's friend's sister worked at the hospital where she was born" isn't enough evidence.

I have her address. Maybe if I write her a letter asking for pictures of her privates, she'll reply.

If I’m androgen insensitive will I grow boobies where my dick is/was??

Or versa-vice

Bottom line, I need a big dick to play with everyday

R213, I don’t have the document. Conditions like Turner’s Syndrome also could cause infertility but they also cause short stature - average height of 4’7 untreated. Whereas a height of about 5’7 is typical in AIS. There certainly isn’t evidence to say it is true, but there isn’t evidence to say it’s unlikely either. She may not even know, as up until about 10 years ago doctors frequently kept this information from their adult patients unless they specifically asked for that part of their past medical history.

r217 Was there also a leaked document, which has also now mysteriously disappeared, about Richard Gere & The Gerbil?

Point is no one can post this "proof" so it reeks of tabloid gossip.

[quite]r217 She may not even know, as up until about 10 years ago doctors frequently kept this information from their adult patients unless they specifically asked

She could play herself and win awards in a Lifetime Original Movie about the self revelation!

Possible titles?

^^ I meant

[quote]r217 She may not even know, as up until about 10 years ago doctors frequently kept this information from their adult patients unless they specifically asked

She could play herself and win awards in a Lifetime Original Movie about the self revelation!

Possible titles?

R218, because there is no precedent at all for the gerbil. AIS exists…

“Contrary to widespread public belief, "gerbil-stuffing" (i.e., placing a live gerbil or other rodent up one's rectum for sexual pleasure) is unknown as an actual sexual practice, nor are we aware of a verified medical case of a gerbil having been extracted from a patient's rectum. “

[quote]Why hasn't Jamie Lee Curtis gone public as intersex?

OP, because she isn't. Your wishing doesn't make it so.

r221 Dude, plenty of things are possible. I bring up the gerbil story to illustrate how this gossip spreads and takes on a life of its own without any proof whatsoever.

You said there was proof but you can't post it. No one can. I have no reason to believe this nonsense.

All I can tell trusting, head-in-the-clouds R223 is, Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

“Intersexuality is a reality; some children are ambiguously sexed at birth. However, one particular point needs to be made, and made quite vehemently: The existence of such anatomical variations is not reason in itself to suppose that Jamie Lee Curtis has any of them. Using the one to bolster belief in the second is akin to claiming the existence of the Atlantic Ocean somehow proves a particular ship sank in it.

It is a telling commentary on the skewed importance we give any matter relating to sexuality that this rumor exists at all.”

So, you’re right about that… Even if this rumor were true it would never be verified unless Jamie verifies it; that’s not the kind of thing that would stay online if it were ever put online.

But the fact that it’s constantly mentioned in medical school classrooms does show that this is what AIS can look like in terms of body type, build, facial features, etc. Because they are familiar with it medically, what it looks like, and they believe it.

And if it is true, I hope she comes out, because the I is underrepresented and shrouded in secrecy even when other parts of LGBTQI are not.

R193, but your language of “genetic mixup” and “deformed” genitalia is the reason why intersex people SHOULD come out. This is the kind of language that gets used about their bodies. And obviously they have a lot of lived experience that they never get to talk about.

I wonder if unresolved tension over her intersexed status is what drove Jamie Lee to drugs, alcohol, and rehab.

And it could happen again We’re as sick as our secrets.

[quote]Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

R224 Not really. Usually it's just a gaggle of DL trolls trying to make something happen.

JLC has criticized Hollywood for not supplying enough acting roles for mature women.

Ironically, if she just came out as her true self, she’d be considered for male roles, too. Doubling her employment.

R227, “we’re as sick as our secrets” has got to apply more to society than to an intersex person, who certainly hasn’t done anything sick by being born.

It’s interesting that for some reason even while the LGBT movement has boomed, in terms of orientation or identity, it still is considered ok to mock someone for having a micropenis or other differences of sexual development. Even though the same hormones that cause differences of sexual development often also cause homosexuality. So why does no one want to talk about it?

I think it’s because this is the point where homosexuality becomes mainstream or most anybody could be have homosexual attraction if the person they felt affection for looked androgynous enough.

“christybird, i took a Sociology of Sexuality class, and one of the lectures was solely based on intersexuals. We watched a documentary on how controversial it is for a doctor to choose a born intersexual’s future sex. Jamie Lee Curtis was in the documentary explaining what her reaction was when her parents told her, and how she lives a great life today. It was a very old documentary, and i’m guessing this is how rumors of Jamie Lee Curtis being a hermaphrodite started“

A lot of articles referenced “an old interview” which I guess was an old documentary. It was taught in college Sociology courses.

There is no documentary where Jamie Lee Curtis discusses being intersex. I repeat: There is NO documentary where Jamie Lee Curtis discusses being intersex. Never happened.

[Quote] If they have to choose, female is obviously easier. Cut off the little nubby tally whacker and that's it. Probably some hormone therapy.

Doctors are finding that just choosing a gender for an ambiguous baby may set the kid up for huge psychotic problems if they choose the wrong sex. Docs need to do dna testing first to determine is XY or XX

There’s a famous opera: La Juive, the Jewess

It seems like such a strange rumor to start about someone without rhyme or reason, which makes me believe it's true.

I think the picture in R231 pretty much confirms the rumor.

who's got a link to the vid of Howard Stern's intern quizzing Jamie Lee on the sidewalk before an event?. Great fun and yes, she's asked about her dick.

Kim Novak is rumored to be intersex also

R234, it’s surprising what the internet hides about things that happened before the mid-90s. We’ve already seen occurrences where someone’s official age didn’t match documents publicly available on Archives and Ancestry. It isn’t fashionable now to talk about intersex conditions, but they do occur, and most factually speaking, the people who have them can be male and female, not just male or female. Chromosomes have their own affects on behavior aside from hormones…

If that birth announcement is real, it would explain why she once would have talked openly about it, even though she doesn’t now. I don’t think intersex people should have to hide anything that they are or fit themselves into a box, but if that’s what she’s doing, I hope she’s not doing it because of social pressure.

Also, people who are XX can have ambiguous genitalia too. It isn’t limited to AIS or XXY.

Isn't the reason that this is a thing is because either her birth announcement or first photo was labeled 'boy'?

R240 that's a WILD video. The look on the face of the lady in the background!

Poor Jamie Lee. She'd actually done a couple if phone interviews with Howard. I guess this ended THAT.

OP...because it isnt true. Evidence...she is very vocal and a visible activist regarding her sons transition into her daughter. If she were intersex, she would have said so by now.

Is this that woman with a dick that talks about the royal family all the time?

Thats "The Right Honourable the Lady Haden-Guest" to you r247

She’s not “intersex.” She’s XY but has androgen insensitivity and didn’t fully developed male sex characteristics. It was discovered when she didn’t have her period. Went to a GYN and it was found she didn't have a cervix, uterus, ovaries, fallopian tubes. Instead she had undescended testicles which have to be removed because they can become cancerous.

R249, androgen insensitivity is type of intersex condition.

It is her own business. She's always good in her films and that's what counts.

If you're a mujer and you have gonads you might be intersex.

^Didn't she hang-up all that her own business about sexual stuff, when she jumped on her son's furry, trans wagon??

[quote] If she were intersex, she would have said so by now.

I never believed the rumors until I saw R61. We need a body language expert to review frame by frame.

A unisex name, a deep voice, masculine facial features, adopted kids (probably because she can't have her own). All the evidence adds up and where there's smoke, there's fire. It doesn't matter, though. I still accept her as a woman and think of her as one. She is a great actress and seems like a good person and doesn't owe anybody jack shit. If she ever wants to "come out", great. If not, she shouldn't have to.

R255 She's acknowledged in the past that she's unable to have children, so there ya go.

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