Randolph Scott & Cary Grant

Here’s a picture of them poolside at their Santa Monica beach house.

They look so happy, it’s a shame they had to live in secrecy.

One of the hottest gay couples ever!

It was an "open secret"

Betty White covered that in Joy Behar interview

Such a 'Love Story'!

Six months together, seventy-five years apart.

No homo here... *snicker*

You might find this thread of interest.

^ Is DataLounge running out of digits that we can't do multiple threads?

They lived together on and off for a total of 11 years. The most glamorous couple.

Did Randolph know what a cheapskate Cary was?

So cheap, he couldn’t afford an E in Cary.

[quote] Is DataLounge running out of digits…

We're running out of speculation about allegations about pictures which happened briefly getting up to be a century ago.

Of course, current pop culture is rubbish but it would be satisfying to actually get some documents about these house-sharers from something which happened briefly getting up to be a century ago.

"They had a 50/50 relationship, Randolph payed the bills and Cary mailed them"

@r10, Take the stick out of your ass or don't read threads you don't like

[quote] the stick

Cary spent fifty-two years putting his 'stick' elsewhere.

Looks like Cary did it for Randolph Scott

@r13, Perhaps he was bi-stick

Look how sweet they look not being gay...

Manly men always sing with their room mates...

James Stewart and Henry Fonda briefly shared a home; they must be sodomites!

^ Frau fundie doesn't like "the Gays"

Go back to Facebook, Karen

They are beautiful together.

I wonder if James Stewart and Henry Fonda ever took a picture like this...

^That particular pic is a bad photoshop job. Yes, they were a couple, but that one is fake.

"After we're done with the dishes lets go work on our big trucks together"...

Oh, look, more "Photoshop" for Karen...

^You're two for two. Why you keep posting these fakes is ridiculous, especially when there are so many genuine shots of Cary and Randy.

They may very well have been a couple, who knows. But those home photos were purposely staged (staged, lit, styled) for a magazine spread (Photoplay?) about their friendship and "bachelor life". The photos were not candid or "secret".

And believe it or not, photos like that would not raise eyebrows back then. It was a different time.

" Let's give the butler the day off so we can fool around, don't tell Karen"

And yes R24, the photos at R24 and R21 are photoshopped. And poorly done.

"Hey, Cary, did I ever tell you how adorable you look in that little apron?"

R27 The OP will imagine they had threesomes with the staff.

Well at least NOW R27 you're using REAL pics of randy and Cary. Here's a bad photoshopped shoot of Brando and James Dean. Click on it, fool. We know they were lovers but this bad photoshopped job does no good in advancing that fact.

R29 Why are these supposed lovebirds pretending to cook when they have the studio staff to do stuff like that?

"Let's get a Photoshop of me lighting your cigarette, it'll drive Karen nuts"

^That's a real pic. And no, I'm not a Karen, asshole.

What R27 doesn't understand is that photography was different back then. To get a photo like that at R27, you needed pro equipment, lighting, and a photographer. And the photo need to be professionally developed.

That photo was carefully staged and shot.

"Let's put our fake dog in a picture just for Karen"

That's ok, Karen, Trump is still President and you're still attractive

*snicker*

You're just an idiot troll. I agree with you, Randy and Cary were a couple. But the two shots you posted upthread were fake. Sorry you don't like reality.

Hottest celebrity couple of all time

Grant left this alleged lovenest to play with two women Mary Brian and Phyllis Brook.

And Scott married a woman named Marion duPont.

And note: Cary and Randy had not a care in the world that those photos would be misinterpreted or that the photos could hurt their careers in any way. Nor did the their studio care.

Why? Because the public back then just did see what all of you are seeing. It was a different time.

A-list actors could NEVER do a photoshoot like that today

Sorry should read: " Because the public back then just did NOT see what all of you are seeing. It was a different time.:"

[quote] the public back then just did NOT see what all of you are seeing.

In other words, we are seeing something which may or may not have existed back then.

The irony is that those shots were taken to show the public that they were "just buddies" who shared a house to "save on expenses", even though each were able to afford their own homes. What they are now is a time capsule of their relationship, beautifully photographed. Their house in Santa Monica.

R44 That article claims these two performers "purchased the home".

There should be real estate documents to prove or disprove some of these romantic allegations.

" Romantic Allegations". That's hilarious.

If you encountered two roommates dressed anywhere near like that what would you say they were?

Frat Brothers ?

Fast friends ?

I want to see some Malibu penis-action from these supposedly star-crossed lovers.

R40, Marion DuPont owned the Montpelier estate. Rumored lesbian. Their marriage was shambolic.

[quote] They may very well have been a couple, who knows. But those home photos were purposely staged (staged, lit, styled) for a magazine spread (Photoplay?) about their friendship and "bachelor life". The photos were not candid or "secret". And believe it or not, photos like that would not raise eyebrows back then. It was a different time.

My take is that they and the probably gay photographer and stylists, were having a laugh and figured they could hide in plain sight by playing it as a joke. But, I can't believe that no one who bought that issue didn't wonder.

^ Don't say that the Fraus get very upset when their screen idols appear Gay

Why do these Fraus hang out on a Gay forum just to give Gays shit about everything Gay?

When I was in college in the 1980's, I got to know an elderly neighbor very well. She had married into old San Francisco money, and her husband had long since died. I remember her telling me a story about when she was in an art gallery on Sutter Street, and Cary Grant and Doris Duke were in there at the same time. She commented several times how "fey" he was.

There a hundreds of articles and books written about Cary Grant and Randolph Scott being closet Gays. At this point I think Cary's daughter is the only one actively denying it

Oh, and to the Fraus on this thread who think that if a Gay man marries a woman that means they're straight. No, dears, they're trying to fool you and it works

Randolph was the top because R53's neighbour has confirmed to us that Cary was "fey".

Randolph & Cary used to go out on fake double dates with Kate Hepburn and her long time partner Laura Harding.

Randy, Cary, Kate & Laura also had lots of dinner parties with Marjorie Main and Spring Byington.

Cary and Noëlie were intimate from 1935 to 1972.

"Cary and Noëlie were intimate from 1935 to 1972."

I'm sure they told each other their deepest secrets while cradling their mugs

Who was the husband and who was the wife?

R2- Did Betty White cover her LESBIANISM on Joy Benar?

@r62, The guy with the apron is the "wife". Don't you Fraus know anything?

They were pals for 35 years.

But that doesn't mean they played 'Hide The Sausage' together.

^ That was a big deal.

Mr Grant had to leave his wife and kids and fly to New York to make that very brief introduction for his old pal.

I think this quote from the Loretta Young thread is pertinent to this thread about an alleged 'love story'—

[quote] The whole "Loretta Young was date raped" story consists of someone saying she said something. That's it. Just pure hearsay. And it came out after ALL the principles in the story were dead:

^ Give it up, Frau, Grant and Randolph were red hot lovers. Now go throw yourself off a bridge

R68 was a fly on the wall.

Here's a thoughtful article about the photos from NY Magazine.

" The photos included in this article, are just a few of the many that exist, where it so perfectly clear that they were much more than just 'roommates.' It's obvious that they shared a great love and were just about the most physically gorgeous couple in Hollywood history."

"Though he married women five times, movie star Cary Grant (1904-1986) enjoyed many gay relationships during his early career in New York and Hollywood. His most famous same-sex romance was with fellow actor Randolph Scott (1898-1987), the rugged star of numerous westerns. "

"Grant was bisexual, and was married five times, but he was regarded as a gay man by Hollywood insiders throughout his career.

He and actor Randolph SCOTT lived as a gay couple in Hollywood for many years. Their relationship scandalized Hollywood in the 1930s, and it continued through several of their marriages to women."

Wow R70-72...what reputable websites!

@r69, Know-it-all Frau getting slammed

"When Grant married actress Virginia Cherrill in 1934, Mann says in the documentary, Scott attempted suicide. They were living together again after the end of Grant’s marriage in 1935, and re-reunited once more after Scott’s first marriage (1936-1939) to a duPont heiress ended."

@r73, They're book review you dumb cunt

[quote] [R68] was a fly on the wall

R68 was peeping through the keyhole and listening at the window ninety years ago.

Here's one about you, Frau stupid...

"“It seems that straight people — especially straight women — will bristle and become very sexually territorial about him. Sort of like, ‘No, you can’t have him! He’s ours!’

Cuntessa Frau Karen loses again...

Hahahahaha!

I would imagine it especially drove the studios crazy, though Grant was usually a free lancer. Grant was the ladies man sex symbol of the screen and Scott was a tough cowboy. It would've been a huge scandal if it had gotten out back then, about any two stars. But, a sex symbol and a cowboy would've been HUGE.

It was out and it was a scandal

[quote] It was out and it was a scandal

Would I read about this 'scandal' by looking up Hedda Hopper?

There is a difference between it being an open secret in Hollywood and being a scandal amongst the public.

[quote] an open secret in Hollywood

Are you in Hollywood?

Are you in Hollywood 85 years ago?

@r82, " Grant threatened to sue gossip columnist Hedda Hopper for implying he wasn’t “normal.’"

R84 No, but reading the articles about their relationship. It is clear that many people in Hollywood knew of their relationship and just didn't talk about it with outsiders or the press. That is the definition of an open secret. Hedda Hopper alluded to it, but if that old broad wasn't able to gin it up to an actual scandal nobody could.

Just like how the world was shocked by Strom Thurmond's biracial daughter, I wasn't because I grew up down the road from his small hometown and everybody there knew and had discussed it for decades, just not with outsiders. And, it isn't that different. All the old stars described Old Hollywood as being like a small town where they all gossiped about each other and who was fucking who.

[quote]I would imagine it especially drove the studios crazy, though Grant was usually a free lancer. Grant was the ladies man sex symbol of the screen and Scott was a tough cowboy. It would've been a huge scandal if it had gotten out back then, about any two stars. But, a sex symbol and a cowboy would've been HUGE.

But note, Paramount had no qualms about those photos. Actually, the studio was behind the photos and set them up. Such photos were good for their careers.

"Gay" was not what the general public saw in those photos.

R87 I think they thought if they made light of it, in the photos, they could basically hide in plain sight, as I said up thread.

R88 Grant and Scott had nothing to do with those photos.

They were under contract. They did what the studio told them to do.

"Romance

Cary Grant and Randolph Scott - A Love Affair"

"Cary and Randolph met on the set of the 1932 movie, “Hot Saturday.” The attraction was mutual and they quickly began spending all of their free time together. Their friends from that period said that the two handsome young actors lived together openly and began traveling in Hollywood’s gay social circles.A few years before, Cary Grant had lived openly with gay Hollywood designer, Orry-Kelly"

"A closeted gay journalist named Ben Maddox wrote a profile of the two bachelors for Modern Screen in 1933. The photos show Cary Grant and Randolph Randolph sharing house and living a very cozy and domestic life at the beach. Maddox used various code words in his story that would identify them as a couple to gay readers. These photos of them wearing aprons were apparently too much for heterosexual columnists who ridiculed the two men and implied that there was “something” between them."

"In 1934, the studio “encouraged” Grant to marry in order to kill the gay rumors that were swirling around the two young actors. In February of 1934, he married Virginia Cherril and 13 months later she divorced him"

"Cary moved back in with Randolph as soon as the divorce was settled. The studio publicity department regularly planted stories about an endless stream of attractive young women going in and out of the beach house which they now referred to as “Bachelor Hall.”

"Mr Blackwell, the notorious fashion critic, lived with Cary and Randolph for several months. In his memoir he said that he considered them, “deeply, madly in love, their devotion complete...Behind closed doors they were warm, kind, loving and caring, and unembarrassed about showing it.”

"Their good friend, Carole Lombard, when joking about Grant notorious cheapness said "Their relationship is perfect. Randy pays the bills and Cary mails them.” Between the two of them, they had 7 failed marriages, but they were most likely marriages of convenience."

^ Who wrote this bilge?

Who takes responsibility for publishing undocumented speculation?

"He and western actor Randolph Scott shared a house for ten years, from 1932 to 1942, until Cary married Woolworths’ heiress Barbara Hutton. During that period Cary also wed actress Virginia Cherrill on orders from the studio, but that only lasted 13 months from 1934-5, before he and Scott moved back in together again. Cary had once shared a house with Hollywood’s most loveable gay actor William Haines. Later still, he lived for a while with the equally gay Noel Coward who wrote his famous song, ‘Mad about the Boy’, for Cary. Nevertheless, and despite his five marriages, Cary’s great love was Randolph Scott, and it was mutual until well into their latter years."

"He and western actor Randolph Scott shared a house for ten years, from 1932 to 1942, until Cary married Woolworths’ heiress Barbara Hutton. During that period Cary also wed actress Virginia Cherrill on orders from the studio, but that only lasted 13 months from 1934-5, before he and Scott moved back in together again. Cary had once shared a house with Hollywood’s most loveable gay actor William Haines. Later still, he lived for a while with the equally gay Noel Coward who wrote his famous song, ‘Mad about the Boy’, for Cary. Nevertheless, and despite his five marriages, Cary’s great love was Randolph Scott, and it was mutual until well into their latter years."

I don't think Grant was bisexual, he was a self loathing homo who desperately wanted to BE the "Cary Grant" image he created for himself, a suave and cultured ladies man instead of Archie Leach, the neurotic English kid who came from poverty.

[quote] Noel Coward who wrote his famous song, ‘Mad about the Boy’, for Cary.

Coward wrote the song prior to August 1932 about a great matinee idol.

Archie Leach was still named as 'Archie' Leach up until November 1931 and he was only appearing in supporting roles in 1932.

"In describing Coward's restless homosexual love life, she comes up with a quotation in which he lamented being 'no good at love' because of his need to imagine the bitter end of a relationship at its outset. She tells us that 'Mad About the Boy' was not written about Cary Grant, as has been commonly supposed, but about James Cagney."

James Cagney?

^ Well that's behind a paywall but Coward's lyrics to 'Mad About The Boy' allude to Gary Cooper, Ramon Navarro, Richard Dix, John Barrymore, and Douglas Fairbanks Junior

"They were two handsome bachelors, who happened to be Hollywood heartthrobs and roommates. Cary Grant and Randolph Scott lived together off-and-on for nearly 12 years, sharing a Santa Monica beach house and a mansion in Los Angeles’ Los Feliz neighbourhood.

But were the two living together as a gay couple in plain sight during the oppressive 1930s? Hollywood of that period was run by the infamous iron-fisted studio system, which monitored, managed and practically dictated a star’s personal and public life. Leading men like Grant and Scott would almost certainly not have been allowed to openly live homosexual lives, much less as a couple.

Yet, rumours persisted about the two and, curiously, they both agreed to a photo spread in a fan magazine, which featured them as “bachelors” sharing a home together. The photos show them happy, laughing, working out, cooking—picture perfect images of domestic bliss, if ever there was.

'However, a 2016 documentary came right out and stated that Grant was gay. The film, Women He’s Undressed, about the three-time Academy Award winning costume designer Orry-Kelly, acknowledges Grant was in a gay relationship with the designer in the 1920s. Both were young and struggling in New York City to make ends meet before moving together to Hollywood to pursue their dreams. By the early 1930s they went their separate ways and Orry-Kelly would go on to become one of the great costume designers in Hollywood and worked with such stars as Marilyn Monroe in Some Like It Hot and Ingrid Bergman in Casablanca. '

Randy taking a shower after a swim in their pool. The 6'2"blonde ex college football jock came from a wealthy family and was the bigger film star when they met.

Randolph Scott was a smart investor. Cary Grant can thank him for a lot of his wealth

Scotty Bowers said the three of them fooled around a lot, but Randy and Cary were not into anal, at least not in front of him.

^ Yeah, but not sure about anything Scotty Bowers says

[quote] Scotty Bowers

Purveyor of bilge, blarney, blather, scuttlebutt, dirty laundry and lies.

Gore Vidal was one of Scotty's friends and backs up his claims. Gore got around.

@r104, Calm down, Fraulene, stop taking Cary Grant's cocksucking so personally

R103 R104 I used to take Scotty Bowers with a grain of salt too, but one thing that should've earned him the benefit of the doubt is when he died, all the major media issued his obituaries: AP, NYT, Variety and THR... They wouldn't bother at all if he's generally considered in the industry as a "purveyor of bilge, blarney, blather, scuttlebutt, dirty laundry and lies."

And also, some of his stories are verified. One particular strong case was when his book first came out, LA Weekly cold-called Raymond Burr's boyfriend, who had not been aware of the book, and he confirmed everything.

One of Scotty's obits. The trade magazine surely doesn't dismiss him as a fantasist like some DLers do.

Most of Scotties stories were already widely known.

And I don't believe that Charles Laughton ate a shit sandwich. That is absolute bullshit.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Randolph Scott was elderly and being looked after by a nurse. She asked him if it was true and he nodded. But I can't remember where I read it. So it might just be some made up shit. I think they were living together as a couple. It's so sad that they couldn't do that openly.

"And I don't believe that Charles Laughton ate a shit sandwich. That is absolute bullshit. "

"Bullshit" would make it our "Laughton Hamburger Special"

[quote] I'm sure I read somewhere that Randolph Scott was elderly and being looked after by a nurse. She asked him if it was true and he nodded. But I can't remember where I read it. So it might just be some made up shit. I think they were living together as a couple. It's so sad that they couldn't do that openly.

Yes, R110, I'm sure I read somewhere that Randolph Scott's executor stipulated that his body would be transported and buried with his long time lover Cary Grant. I asked him if it was true and he nodded. But I can't remember where I read it. So it might just be some made up shit. I think they are buried together and they are happy together at last.

All we really have to prove Grant was gay is conjecture. Was he lovers with Scott? I find it perfectly plausible, but we should resign ourselves to never knowing for sure, unless someone discovers some treasure trove of diaries or something.

I can believe he had affairs with Orry-Kelly and Scott. Why not? But even if he did, it seems certain that he was not gay, but bi. Why? He retired from movies in 1966, already essentially a dinosaur in the new Hollywood. After that, he kept a much lower public profile and was certainly free from studio pressure, or any pressure really, since he was very wealthy. Yet after divorcing his fourth wife Dyan Cannon in 1967, he had several affairs with women, including one that resulted in a paternity claim. In 1981 he married again, and remained married until his death in 1986.

After his first marriage, he could have plausibly called it quits with women, saying he'd tried marriage but couldn't be tied down, or something like that. Certainly after his fourth wife, after his film career was over, he could have remained a bachelor and no one would have batted an eyelash. And he had the money to lead as private a life as he wished. He had many opportunities to give up dating/marrying women without raising suspicion, but he did not.

And where are/were all his ex-lovers speaking up? I wouldn't expect Scott to tell all, but I would expect, given that Grant lived till the mid-80s, that some more recent lover would have cashed in with a tell-all.

Finally, though I think there's a reasonable amount of circumstantial evidence that he and Scott were lovers, I hate the automatic implication that if a man lives with a gay man, he's automatically gay. Or that if two men live together, they must be lovers. It strikes me as oddly moralistic and almost homophobic. People live together in all sorts of arrangements, for all sorts of reasons. And it is possible for a beautiful gay man to live with a beautiful straight or bi (or even gay) man without them automatically being lovers. Again, not saying they weren't. I'm just saying that automatically assuming they were is as closed-minded as clutching your pearls and insisting they weren't.

[quote] I can believe he had affairs with Orry-Kelly …

I can't.

He wasn't pretty at all.

Three ‘closety’ boyfriends from my 20’s all eventually married women. They had children. None of them were “bi.” Shy and/or ambitious, perhaps, they wanted the social/career advantages of being thought straight.

Two have had repeated extramarital flings with men - never with a women. The third became deeply religious and focuses more energy on his church (praying something away?) than he does on his wife.

They are no more “not gays,” because they go home to traditional families, than people are “not nudists” because they go to work in a suit.

These alleged lovers were buried on separate continents.

Cecil Beaton rips just about every person he's ever known to shreds in his many diaries. He is ruthless. Scotty is one of the very very few he speaks well of.

After Beaton's death Scotty did not return theBy favor.

[quote] Scotty did not return theBy favor

Did Scott say something about Beaton in his papers?

Scotty and Scott

Two - somewhat different - people

R119 Are you claiming that Cecil Beaton met the Hollywood whore-monger?

Cary Grant (then Archie Leach) along with his "roommate" Orry-Kelly frequently attended events, parties and clubs in what could be called "gay" Harlem of 1930's.

"The female impersonator Douglas Byng was acclaimed when he appeared at the Cotton Club in 1930. Lady Louis Mountbatten came, as did the actress Beatrice Lillie, Sir Osbert Sitwell, Stephen Tennant, Lord Peter Churchill, Noel Coward, David Plunket-Green and even Archie Leach, who later became the movie star Cary Grant, his New York “roommate” the future Hollywood fashion designer George Kelly, known as “Orry-Kelly”. There was also the artist Edward Burra, ballet dancer Fredrick Ashton, Christopher Isherwood, the speed-boat racing heiress Marion “Joe” Carstairs, and Ivor Novello. All came to Harlem, as if on a soul-stirring pilgrimage."

Randolf and Cary both serviced "the butler", who had a nerd look but was packing 10 thick inches and supporting 5 kids on the "overtime" pay.

Archie Leach was gay. Cary Grant was not. It must be remembered that the man always thought of himself as Archie Leach--according to his most recent bio, if you said "Archie," his head would turn. Grant was a very elegant suit he put on to make money, but inside it was a big old English queen.

I read some of the most recent bio about Grant. Wasn't interested enough to finish it. Anyway the biggest impression I had of him was that he was an unpleasant man. Just hard to like. And cheap. As noted above Archie created the Grant persona by copying the mannerisms and physical traits of others, notably director Leo McCarey (The Awful Truth) and Doug Fairbanks Jr. And it worked of course.

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